Villiers Engine Serial Numbers

WilliamIf its one of the older engines you will need to remove the cowl, on the outer edge of the f,wheel there is a string of numbers the last 2 denote the year IE 62=1962 etc. George, villiersparts.

I have bought a Villiers Mk10 air-cooled engine from an aution and am now trying to gather enough info to overhall. Is it possible to tell from the serial number? Technical information on Villiers engine serial numbers. Villiers Engine Indentification. 434 JDL Single Speed Francis-Barnett Model 50 1947-1949.

I've tried to remain solely a Victa collector, but this interest in Villiers has really broadened my interests. I've even got an opportunity to get my hands on a Champion like the one pictured on the left, in serious need of restoration, but am unsure what a fair price would be to offer. Any thoughts? Are they collectible/rare/desirable? Re: Villiers Engine Numbers [] 17/08/13 06:50 AM 17/08/13 06:50 AM.

Finally, does anyone know if Villiers Industrial are still in bussiness and, if so, what their contact details are? Thanks very much for any help. Pockets wrote:We can help you with dating look at the flywheel, If its original, GEORGE.

The first engine spec code 402x indicates a mark 2 midget engine and the b6698 is the part number for the cylinder. The 407x spec is for a 5g engine and was supplied to pace.the spec codes tell the company supplied to and any special components for them.402x = Villiers with d119au inlet pipe,m2530d starter pulley,s12 carby and a 3'1' cable. 407x = pace, with s10 carby,d169au inlet pipe and d180au silencer.the parts book indicates the cylinder number as c9095 not g3095,so maybe this was a special order.regards,john Re: Villiers Engine Numbers [] 13/07/13 06:03 AM 13/07/13 06:03 AM. Very Impressive Info John. So they are both Pace.Cool.

Can anyone explain the Villiers engine number system, and what model Victas the number sequences started and finished on? I'm trying to work out what model Victa mowers the following engine numbers came off: Cylinder # 3812 B6698 Crank case # 402X 45 169 Cylinder # G3095? Crank case # 407X 29 055 Crank# 764 55 65 Crank # 816 21 354 The top one has a brass pulley, the second a alloy pulley painted red. The pirate bay proxy 2018. As usual, any help much appreciated!

The 407x spec is for a 5g engine and was supplied to pace.the spec codes tell the company supplied to and any special components for them.402x = Villiers with d119au inlet pipe,m2530d starter pulley,s12 carby and a 3'1' cable. 407x = pace, with s10 carby,d169au inlet pipe and d180au silencer.the parts book indicates the cylinder number as c9095 not g3095,so maybe this was a special order.regards,john Re: Villiers Engine Numbers [] 13/07/13 06:03 AM 13/07/13 06:03 AM. Very Impressive Info John.

A Champion Code, Mk2 Midget,Nice! It is running the Mk3 armature plate A67 Fan is M508 and pulley is M509, Which is definately a MK3. So maybe its a bitsa. I may revert it back 2 Mk2 specs then and keep it as a good spare,who knows I may get a champion one day:) And ill do some research into Condeco' Thanks heaps John,Fantastic Info Youve offered. And yes Unkie,Coincidently they both appear to be June 59.

Im still thinking your 402X Mk2 is off a Villiers Villager' But I can only Assume. There are many pics of villagers around,so take a peek and see what you think. Re: Villiers Engine Numbers [] 15/07/13 05:13 PM 15/07/13 05:13 PM.

Sorry to go a little off topic but just came accros this post after searching about villiers midget engines. I have an alex grahame rotary mower which am going to restore and spied an alex grahame to the left of the picture, any chance you have some more info on the mower? Mine is missing the muffler and air filterand am searching for these items if anyone is willing to part with them? The mower is in storage back home at the moment will start restor in the next month or two and will start a thread if my own.

What a gem of a motor though. The engineering of it is of an amazing standard, and pains me to admit that it is by far superior to Victa's of the same era, not to mention the availability of new/repro parts on A couple of UK websites, unlike the poor old Victa donks. It's sought of inspired me to pursue other earlier Villiers fitted mowers from the 50s, and I'm finally starting to understand why the fan mowers are so desireable.

Thanks in advance matt. Thanks mate, your efforts have been a great help! It's this kind of detective work that I love about this hobby.

I have engine codes for most aus 98cc midgets and 70cc,never got in to much else.I can tell you its Australian(ballarat made)Engine and by the parts its not a Midget,which most Aus rotarys used,so im presuming its off a reel mower. The number is familiar so ill do some peeking for you.

Like many motorcycle firm as of the time Norman didn't make all their own parts but in a lot from outside firms. For example I know they were using British Hub Company wheels in 1950 as a friend has a 1950 Norman and I would expect your bike to have British Hub Co wheels also. The first thing to do is gather as much information as you can and the best place to start is at the Vintage Motor Cycle Club library.

So they are both Pace.Cool. And I should have known better not to recognise the B6698,since thats pretty much all I collect lols. Ok So have one 5G c9095 And its a 70cc is this accurate? Always thought mine was of an Austral,but that is even better,since ive a Pace I can now use it on. The really sad thing is I have( had) a list covering all the villiers engine fitments for Aust made mowers,Not a parts list just engine codes,but I cannot find it,and its probably the most important piece of ino I have regarding Villiers engines,all I have left is parts lists for Mk2 and 3 midgets sighs*.I have a question.You say MK2 Midget is for the first and fitted to pace. Since there are no known records covering pace models prior to 56 (yes im sure someone has some,but to date ive not heard anyone who has them,Maybee your the MAN!)Id be really interested if this is an engine off the first Pace rotary,since all recorded forms ran the Hurricane mk3 98cc midget and 70cc.If you wouldnt mind,and if you have the info could you please tell me the date code this engine would have been? As im really interested in learning more of the first produced Pace mowers,as ive only ever seen one.

Regarding the 3G/5G, I'm confused. Which is it or are they both the same? The Pace production list notes the Standard as having a 3G but John reckons its a 5G. Forgive my ignorance on this one! A quick google search turned up a reference to Condeco being the parent company of Austral Villiers, so your theory proved correct, Mal.

Membership information Re: Villiers Engine Numbers [] 12/07/13 02:50 PM 12/07/13 02:50 PM. I can possibly ID the engine with Images.Youve no idea what a huge can of worms your trying to open with Villiers.The coding is limitless and confusing and thats just for the engines themselves.trying to ID parts is even harder.

Re: Villiers Engine Numbers [] 14/07/13 11:31 AM 14/07/13 11:31 AM. Mal is correct,you cannot tell what mower from the part number.In regards to the two crankcases it may be possible to tell what model from any part numbers you can find on the crankcases or even the conrods.

Show me images if you like and the date code on top of the flywheel.Red could indicate Austral or pace,but that doesnt count for much.And they both ran 98 and 70 cc Midgets. Sorry I dont have much more for you,hopefully other members can shed some more light Victa only used Villiers on 3 models the billycart,Mk1 Fan and MK2 Fan.The Billy cart and at least 30% of Mk1 Fans were Still english sourced engines and used their coding,which is very erratic and very little is known of their sequence,if at all. Midway through the Mk1 fan the 132x coded Aus engines were used and ran in sequence until the last Mk 2 Fan.

The first is a 5G 266x with unmarked brass inlet,I assumed was of an Austral. The second is of a Mk3 Midget 98cc 194X 14368,which I pulled of a Pope' of all things,But im sure was fitted to a Pace 1V98 or 2VR98 Special'Origionally. Would love to know as I have an Early Pace for Resto without its correct engine.If youve the time would you please be able to assist me in verifaction also?

What is it about the flywheel that I am looking for? Is it something I could see though the space arround the starter pully, or will the blower housing need to be removed? It my be a little while before I can get back to you about this as I will have to retrieve the engine from where I have stored it and if it need any dismantling it will have to wait till I have cleared some workshop space for the resto!

Anyway Awesome info John! Re: Villiers Engine Numbers [] 13/07/13 07:06 AM 13/07/13 07:06 AM. Lols Awesome! Is there anything you dont have your hand in? Yes the first will look like the fan engine since John has confirmed it to be a Mk2 midget.

I may revert it back 2 Mk2 specs then and keep it as a good spare,who knows I may get a champion one day:) And ill do some research into Condeco' Thanks heaps John,Fantastic Info Youve offered. And yes Unkie,Coincidently they both appear to be June 59. So your Pace Mower Model' code for your 407X MK3G should be a PACE 3ST Standard' Ill try and find you an Image of one.

402x = Villiers with d119au inlet pipe,m2530d starter pulley,s12 carby and a 3'1' cable. 407x = pace, with s10 carby,d169au inlet pipe and d180au silencer.the parts book indicates the cylinder number as c9095 not g3095 John, you're a scholar and a gentleman. Bang on with the inlet pipe number on the 402x - check the pics!

So your Pace Mower Model' code for your 407X MK3G should be a PACE 3ST Standard' Ill try and find you an Image of one. Im still thinking your 402X Mk2 is off a Villiers Villager' But I can only Assume. There are many pics of villagers around,so take a peek and see what you think. Re: Villiers Engine Numbers [] 15/07/13 05:13 PM 15/07/13 05:13 PM.

The engineering of it is of an amazing standard, and pains me to admit that it is by far superior to Victa's of the same era, not to mention the availability of new/repro parts on A couple of UK websites, unlike the poor old Victa donks. It's sought of inspired me to pursue other earlier Villiers fitted mowers from the 50s, and I'm finally starting to understand why the fan mowers are so desireable. Regarding the 3G/5G, I'm confused. Which is it or are they both the same? The Pace production list notes the Standard as having a 3G but John reckons its a 5G. Forgive my ignorance on this one! A quick google search turned up a reference to Condeco being the parent company of Austral Villiers, so your theory proved correct, Mal.

Hello This is my first post here so plese be patiant. I have bought a Villiers Mk10 air-cooled engine from an aution and am now trying to gather enough info to overhall it get it running. I have found the Winget company site and downloaded the manuals they have available here but as there are two editons for different years I now need to know how old my engine might be. Is it possible to tell from the serial number? The maker's plate says Villiers Mk10 No 851/148562D The engine is not fitted to any equipment but might have been used on a farm elivator or simmilar.

There could be a number inside the recessed section where the cylinder bolts.Mal, engine 266x was supplied to 'condeco',a company I don't know about but maybe they built austral mowers.engine 194x is supposed to be a mk2 midget and supplied to champion.champion did sell rebadged stationary engines.on another note,the easiest way to tell the difference between the midget and the G series engine is by the direction of the fins on the top of the engine. Regards,john Re: Villiers Engine Numbers [] 14/07/13 04:07 PM 14/07/13 04:07 PM. A Champion Code, Mk2 Midget,Nice! It is running the Mk3 armature plate A67 Fan is M508 and pulley is M509, Which is definately a MK3. So maybe its a bitsa.

This is a fun one. That 9D Villiers engine was extremely popular and was used by literally dozens of manufacturers in its day. It ran from 1935 to 1948 so we at least have a rough date for the bike. Several makers favoured the backwards facing exhaust style in the late '30's including Wolf, Pride&Clarke and Excelsior. That particular style looks very much like that favoured by Excelsior as does the petrol tank, but as mentioned above, the frame is slightly different so who knows. Could I suggest very carefully using some fine wet and dry paper on the tank to look for the makers transfer.

Nice work mate! Thought I would post a link in this thread for a very cool Frankenstein of a Victa/Villiers edger that has come up on eBay. Looks to have a nice MK2 on it: A cheeky request, Mal.

Neo geo emulator pc. Emulators Windows Freeware Rating: (32 Votes) Sony ZN1, ZN2 and Namco System 11 emulator Windows Freeware Rating: (458 Votes) Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator capable of running thousands of classic arcade games Windows Freeware Rating: (15 Votes) Capcom CPS-1, Capcom CPS-2, Sega System 16, Sega System 18, SNK Neogeo and Gaelco System 1 emulator Multi-platform Open-Source Rating: (149 Votes) Frontend for the Libretro API, effectively a multi-system emulator Windows Freeware Rating: (17 Votes) Taito and Jaleco hardware emulator.

Since it will be a 'standard mower' being only small capacity it should be easy to determine. A Pace 2V70 Or 3ST 'Standard Seem likely Re: Villiers Engine Numbers [] 14/07/13 03:02 AM 14/07/13 03:02 AM. Agreed Grumpy,This may turn out to be quite valuable information. Unkie, I did notice the spacers on the 98cc Midget (402X) The most common mowers to use this spacer system at this height were The Villiers Villager' And Vampire' Mowers with the steel base,Not much else comes to mind with this height spacer system,This would be the closest I can come up with to verify its Fittment. As for the 2 other crank cases,Hopefully john can shed more light,But at quick glance they dont appear Aus made,and more likely earlier than your other two.

Below the clutch / transmission area. Rear of cases below carburettor area. Frame Numbers. By far the most common location is on the steering head.

And any thoughts on the other two crank cases pictured, fellas? Re: Villiers Engine Numbers [] 14/07/13 02:40 AM 14/07/13 02:40 AM. Pictures are great. Im sure John would agree the numbers on the parts wont necessarily tell you what mower they came off,only the serial number will determine this. And he has stated that the 402x was a generic code for many mowers,so maybee we will never know on the 402x 98 cc Midget.

Wow, both 1959! Must have been a great year Your suggestion on the MK2 being off a Villager or Vampire looks pretty spot on from the images I've seen.

Crank case # 407X 29 055 Crank# 764 55 65 Crank # 816 21 354 The top one has a brass pulley, the second a alloy pulley painted red. As usual, any help much appreciated! Membership information Re: Villiers Engine Numbers [] 12/07/13 02:50 PM 12/07/13 02:50 PM. I can possibly ID the engine with Images.Youve no idea what a huge can of worms your trying to open with Villiers.The coding is limitless and confusing and thats just for the engines themselves.trying to ID parts is even harder.

I guess the biggest question is what the inlet pipe number suggests about the make/model of mower it was attached to? As far as the 407x is concerned, you're probably bang on with the cylinder number as it is unclearly stamped. Which model/year Pace do you think it was fitted to?

It is very good but he makes it very clear he could not find a complete list of all Villiers identification numbers and this is one of those that is'nt in his book. In fact he even makes a small error claiming Norman used the prewar and wartime 9D prefix of AAA. Villiers stopped using AAA for their postwar 9D, and included them in their complicated postwar system which you need to read Bacon extensively to understand. Villiers didn't make identification of their engines an easy task!!

Sometimes they leave a faint shadow that you can read if you slowly and carefully take off the surface rust. If you rub too hard you go straight through the shadow so gently does it. Otherwise how about finding the frame number and we see what we can work out from that. Usually frame numbers are stamped somewhere either on the lug that makes up the head stem and front down tube or the lug under the saddle. Those are the most common places.

I ask this as many of the restorations I've seen lack consistency, and I'm pretty sure with your thorough and extensive knowledge on the model, would be able to clear up many of the discrepancies I've encountered. Feel free to tell me to go jump. My appologies,id not seen these 2 posts. Wow John.That is Awesome! Thankyou so much for listing these. What a pity the 402X doesnt fall under Villager,Was really sure about this one:( Thanks for checking Condeco Unkie.Yes I thought this one was accurate,great detective work My undestanding of the differences between the 5G and 3G from my own engines is capacity. You will also find crankcase differences,including mount heights.

By your date code it should be a series 3 Pace Standard,but yeah it says 3ST? Villiers hurt my poor fwagile wittle bwain lols I know for certain the Pace was fitted with a 70cc 5G in Standard' form as ive seen a few examples and sales brochures. Hopefully John may be able to clarify better:) As my knowledge has all but hit its limit And yes Unkie,ill get some Images up for you when I can,until then feel free to ask anything.